Calls For The Resignation Of Fernandez Grows As Church Divide Deepens

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Is The Church more divided now than at any time in history? Some scholars say yes.

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Full English Text of Cardinal Zen’s Letter:

Faith

About “Fiducia Supplicans”

  I received the “Pastoral Blessing of the “Statement” on “Fiducia Supplicans” published by the Office of Catholic Social Communications (OCSM) on December 23, 2023 (explaining the “Statement” issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on December 18th). The ODM article also appeared again in the Dec. 31 edition of the Catholic Newspaper.

  I found that the OMB article was in error in two key places (the Sunday Examiner was not in error, so why didn’t the Catholic Newspaper match it?)

  1. The original text says that the blessing is requested by “same-sex couples and others in relationships that are inconsistent with the Christian faith. The Dissemination Office says that the blessing is requested by “same-sex couples and others in unchristian relationships”.

  The original text clearly states that it is “people” who are to be blessed, not those types of “relationships.

  2. Verse 38 of the original text of the Declaration says that the clergy who give the blessing will pray for peace, health, tolerance of adversity, communication with one another, watch over one another, and ask God to shine on them, so that they may be empowered to carry out God’s will fully.

  Of course, elsewhere in the statement, it only says “live better” or “live a full life”. It is not enough to say that “life is fulfilling”, for they may think that life in a same-sex union can be fulfilling, but verse 38 says “to fulfill God’s will”.

  I did not pass the above question to the Broadcasting Office because even if I corrected the wording, there would still be a problem with the “statement”.

  However, two or three days later, I saw a Ms. Law Yuen Wai Ha, who had serious doubts because she had read the OFCA’s erroneous report, and asked the OFCA to explain her doubts. So far, I have not seen any reply from the OFCA.

  In fact, this is an important question. Why did the Diocese let the OCMA handle the matter? Why did the diocese let the OCA deal with it? Shouldn’t it at least be looked at by the Secretary General of the diocese? Many dioceses and bishops have given important explanations and negative responses.

  

  It is precisely because of these responses, which continue to appear on the Internet, that I have waited until now to decide to write some of my observations (although I have no connection with the administration of the diocese, I still have a duty to defend the reasoning of the Church).

  The “Statement” of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith emphasizes repeatedly that no blessing should be misunderstood, and that the Church does not approve of the “sexual union” of a man and a woman of the same sex, or of a man and a woman who are not in conformity with the Church’s beliefs, as an alternative marriage. But the Statement goes on to say that in certain circumstances, out of pastoral love, blessings may be given to same-sex couples and to other men and women living in irregular relationships.

  The lengthy “statement” leaves much to be desired and says that it will not be interpreted any further (par. 41).

  Many bishops and episcopal conferences, especially in Africa and Eastern Europe, have solemnly ordered priests not to perform such blessings.

  The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued another “statement” on January 4 of this year, which, on the one hand, strongly denies that the “statement” of December 18 is contrary to ecclesiastical reasoning, and on the other hand, recognizes that the bishops and episcopal conferences have reason to have certain doubts about it, and that it seems to them that they need a longer period of time to study it, and that they cannot permit priests to carry out the statement at the present time, which is something that the Holy See understands. This is tantamount to saying that the Declaration of December 18 is not valid for the time being.

  Under these circumstances, we can safely discuss the two Statements, and I would like to contribute some of my views to the priests and brothers:

  1. We should first understand what the Statements say. I do not know whether there are any Chinese translations of the Declarations of December 18 and January 4. It seems that there are no Chinese translations of the two Declarations so far because of the lack of translators in the Churches of Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan. These two statements are in fact very complicated. In the Statement, it is said that blessing is either from the bottom up or from the top down. In fact, the Chinese word for “from the bottom up” is not a blessing at all, but a “praise”, while the Chinese word for “from the top down” is a “blessing”.

  The word “spontaneous” in “statement” should not be translated as “active” because the opposite of active is passive, and application for blessing is of course active. In this context, it seems that the word “spontaneous” should be translated as “random”, “not specially arranged”. In this case, it seems that “spontaneous” should be translated as “random”, “not specially arranged”, “occurring naturally” at an opportunity.

  ”The Declaration says “for example, to bless a pilgrimage group”. It is neither possible nor necessary for a priest to clarify whether or not a pilgrimage group has couples living in “abnormal” sexual relationships. “What the Statement discusses are the “pairs of couples”. Although not specifically arranged, they are clearly couples living in those relationships. 2.

 2. The Declaration (§38) says that when couples ask for a blessing, they “may” also ask for God’s favor and strength, so that they may be able to do God’s will in full. If this were true, then it would be easy for a priest to introduce them to the Divine Will. But here’s the problem: the Statement says that the priest is not supposed to examine them to see if they have such an intention. So how can a priest give a blessing if he or she is not sure that they have such an intention, or if there is reason to suspect that they do not have such an intention at all?

  3. The “statement” says that such blessings are given out of pastoral love, but doesn’t Scripture say that pastors are to protect the strong sheep, heal the wounded, and lead back those who have gone astray? The “statement” seems to say that they came as a “pair” and went back as a “pair” after the blessing; doesn’t that mean that they can, at least for the time being, continue to live in the “wrong”, i.e., sinful, way?

  In the Gospel, there were times when people asked Jesus to heal them, but He first said, “Your sins are forgiven. His primary concern was to free people from their sins (and of course He had already given them the grace to confess their sins). If the priest is not sure that the “couple” he is dealing with intends to live in full observance of God’s way of life, or if he is sure that they do not recognize that they are living in sin at all, should he not introduce them to God’s will in the most loving manner?

  4. The impression given by such a blessing actually creates confusion.

  ”The Statement emphasizes many times that confusion should be avoided, but the blessings encouraged by the Statement do in fact create confusion.

  The secular media will of course intentionally add to the confusion, but why doesn’t the Holy See discourage pro-LGBTQ pastors in the Church such as Fr. James Martin, S.J., or Sr. Jeannine Gramick from intentionally creating confusion or simply failing to follow some of the rules instructed in the Statement, as Germany and certain other dioceses have done? Is it consistent with pastoral principles to create confusion on this important issue?

  In many areas, especially in the “fringe areas” often referred to by the Pope, the culture is strongly opposed to condoning or even legally penalizing same-sex relationships. Is the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith really unaware of this?

  5. Most seriously: the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s “statement” says that sexual behavior in same-sex relationships has its goodness, that it can “progress” and “grow”. Similarly, the Pope (or more likely the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith), in his reply to the five Cardinals’ question, also said that same-sex sexual love is “similar” to marital love! This is an absolute subjective error. According to objective truth, that behavior is a grave sin and can never be good.

  Pope Benedict said, “If there is no foundation in truth, love is an empty shell into which anything can be put.”

  If the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is not committing a heresy by claiming a serious sin as “good,” then shouldn’t the Prefect resign or be dismissed?

  Lastly, isn’t the Global Synod of Bishops underway? It is hoped that the bishops will finally be able to debate these issues on their own (without having to be led by the facilitators) and reach unanimous conclusions under the leadership of the Holy Spirit at their meeting in October. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s preemptive “statement” is in grave contempt of the office of the bishops (the successors of the Apostles, the brothers of the Pope)!

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8 thoughts on “Calls For The Resignation Of Fernandez Grows As Church Divide Deepens

  1. Fernandez [ @8:10 ff ] “ . . doesn’t have the REQUIRED
    minimum qualifications . . “

    But neither did Jorge Bergoglio qualify as “Papabile” after
    [ Jesuit General ] Hans Kolvenbach, SJ, finished investigating
    the Argentinian, except that the “Black Pope”’s final report
    DISAPPEARED before the 2013 Conclave! So . .

    “SHOCKERY MOCKERY AT THE CROSS-ROADS”!
     —Eddie Doherty, A Cricket In My Heart, Blue House
    Press, San Antonio, Texas, 1990.

    “ . . but I think that you have sufficient experience to
    REALIZE THAT the air we breathe, the press we read,
    the TV we see, is in NO instance inspired by Christian
    Principles . . “
     
    OUR TEST ? . . “Will you become secular, worldly . . . ?
    Will you leave . . . ?”

    “ . . . The world has heard every other argument, and it
    is ready to reject them all EXCEPT ONE: HOLINESS . . .
    a Holy Priest , . . a Holy Sister. [ . . Holy Laymen and
    Laywomen ] . . . DEAD bodies float down stream . .
    only live bodies RESIST the current.”

    The Lord’s enemies STILL cry, “Come down
    from Your Cross, and we’ll believe . . ! ”

    Really ??

    “ . . it’s HUMAN to come down; DIVINE to hang
    there.” concludes Venerable Fulton J. Sheen.
    [ Retreat for Priests, given in Dallas, Texas, in 1972 ]

    cf: THE GODMOTHER: Madre Pascalina,
    by Charles Theodore Murr, 2017, the last chapter:
    “A Final Sheen . . “.

    Today we’re urged to pray, fast, and sacrifice to begin
    to LIVE as a once-again resurrected Church, NOT to
    change the millennial Sacred Deposit of the Faith, but
    so as to BURY THE ROTTEN FRUIT of the “disastrous
    SEVENTEENS: 1517; 1717; and 1917: Protestantism,
    Freemasonry, and Communism.”

     
    1. Hi Prairie Grandpa,

      Interesting. I like your 1517, 1717, and 1917 development of heresy. What do you have for 1617 and 1817 ?
      In 2017 we have Jerusalem acknowledge as the capital of Israel by the United States, does that corresponded to heresy that year by deniers? . How about 1617 and 1817 . Maybe no heresy’s in “even” numbered centuries ? I await your review of salvation history !!!

      Blessings, Scott

       
      1. Howdy some more, Scott!

        Boys-oh-boys! . . now I’m in for it. Next thing
        I’ll be driven to write dissertations on topics,
        Whereas I’ve come to use the [ 1940s ] reporters
        model: “short sentences . . short paragraphs . .
        picture words [ English is 85% from Greek &
        Latin . . NOT “picture” languages ].

        “1517, 1717, 1917″ . . lifted from Mother Pascalina
        Lenhert’s take of her summation of the over-riding
        Evils spawning and overshadowing world events
        even until now. Heresy? . . a word that has never
        come spontaneously onto my composing page.

        Which DOES make me wonder: ” AM I Catholic?”

        One must add the French Revolution as THE
        atheistic humanist rebellion against Christ, His
        Church, and corresponding Sovereignty in the
        Civil sphere of Governing.

        But now, 1617? . . 1817? . . you’ve got me going
        to the history books! Mind you, Madre Pascalina
        is never about “even” or “odd” numbered centuries
        or anything. She’s all about the enemies of the
        Church and the battles her beloved Eugenio
        Pacelli [ Pope Pius XII ] must —and DID —face
        fully and truly with a FATHER’S sacrificial love
        for his children . . even drove to and TOOK the
        bombings at the time they were happening;
        his blood-spattered cassock is still on display
        in the Papal museums.

         
  2. Most Loved Anthony ,

    My opinion, to call for Cardinal Fernandez’s resignation is appropriate.
    The request , in context is two fold , it is a political request and one which also reflects a profound spiritual battle. The “boss” can either ask a resignation or demand a resignation . The “boss” can also defer and allow Cardinal Fernandez to take action, resign or not resign , based upon his personal discernment of his conscience and his relationship with his Savior.

    Cardinal Fernandez , with an awareness of all the controversy he brings to conversation , independent of “right” or “wrong” , might then defer to the boss and the “organization” . While PF might not decide on Fernandez’s personal shortcomings, as might be construed by his writings to be salacious and inappropriate, he can decide that which is best for Christ’s Church .

    One man’s opinion of administrative prudence in action .

    Blessings, Raphael ( aka Dr.Scott )

     
    1. Dear Scott,

      ” . . based upon his personal discernment [ i.e, HIS
      conscience formed . . to Truth ? . . mal-formed ?
      . . murdered ? ] . . and his his relationship with his
      Savior [ ” the Way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. ?? ] ”

      HOW’S POSSIBLE ?? . . when smearing the [ HIS ?? ]
      Immaculate Mother with multi publications of lewd
      perversions of the Church’s VIRTUES . . of Chastity,
      of Modesty [ in thought, word,
      and deed —DRESS ! ], of Christian CHARITY,
      for crying out loud !

      Does “Tutcho” even remotely IMAGINE that
      vulnerable young people  —already besieged by
      tsunamies of bawling Christ-less images and
      take-downs of ANY true “Beauty, Truth, and
      Goodness” —will NOT be grossly mis-directed by
      these, his basement broodings, brown “studies”,
      and Beelzebubbling demon incubations ??

      Ah, but you, Dr. Scott, continue to remain in the
      sphere assessment in Charity. And may God
      continue to bless you for that!

      Whereas I seem to be propelled by “creative
      writing”, fuelled by temper.

      Mom, watching the evening News one evening,
      suddenly re-acted to an item involving an
      unforgivable [ in her mind ] crime. She blurted
      out at the TV: “I hope my anger lasts long
      enough to give that felon a piece of my
      mind.”

       
      1. Hi Prairie Grandpa,

        The Spirit , thanks be to God , holds me back !!! Hahaha. Truth be known my personal anger is contained below a thin veneer of charity . For public consumption I express the benifit of the doubt . For my private musings , like James and John , the sons of thunder , I am screaming “Jesus why don’t you nuke them with lighting “ .
        In His Mercy he reminds me to thank Him I’m not nuked . Hahaha . So, I enjoy your observations, spoken like a real man with cajones , and applaud you for your straight forward consternation ( well backed up by your
        life of love in His service !! ).

        Blessings, Scott

         
        1. Thanks for taking the time, Scott.

          Yes, but you DO possess the public Charity of
          giving each contributor, in public debate, the
          “benefit of the doubt” first.

          I would say that that IS the courtesy of the
          public forum.

          Thanks for understanding and your best “take”

          Prairie Gramps, Bob.

           
    2. At this phase of Pope Francis’ pontificate, can one
      hope that he WILL decide what IS best for Christ’s
      Church?

      Blessed Mother of the Church, more Rosaries coming
      your way —WITH you —on behalf of Francis and
      your Son’s i.e. OUR Church.

      Grandpa Bob

       

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